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you're locked into Inception Radio

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welcome to the John Ford UFO nightmare a

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dedicated you apologists journey through

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welcome to the John Ford UFO nightmare

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episode 26 I believe we have some

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exciting news and to talk about tonight

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on the air we have our full brain trust

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of researchers on tonight I'm not going

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to go through introductions everybody

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knows who's on tonight if you've been a

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regular listener to the John 41

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nightmare and I'm gonna hand it over to

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mr. Bob tarmac to take it over and we're

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gonna get into some really really good I

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would say good news finally with the

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John 40 awful nightmare take it away mr.

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tarmac well we have some good news if

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you're listening to the chauffeur's were

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very first time this is about John Ford

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it's about a fellow who was doing UFO

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research and got too close to

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information that he was not supposed to

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know about what eventually happened is

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he was railroaded he was framed and he's

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been incarcerated for the last 20 years

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I am rather new to this I've only had

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maybe a year to two years worth of

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exposure to it we do have some good news

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there has been a development with John

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four case all I didn't mention we

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haven't just been incarcerated in a jail

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they they took a man who is completely

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innocent never convicted any crime

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whatsoever he is a court officer with

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the New York State Supreme Court and so

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very well trusted individuals they

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locked him away and then Institutes of

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the criminally insane the worst possible

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place you could put somebody in D

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they're not going to let him out so

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that's

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this is why we have the show it's this

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travesty in the public eye and hopefully

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as we have the show aired week after

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week month after month the public will

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say this without raging beast and any

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case I'm going to hand us over to

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Marilyn Marilyn you have some goodies I

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do I do I'm just I'm really excited

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about this I didn't talk to Jo the other

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day he gave me this information and he

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has a new lawyer to the tune of $25,000

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but it's a flat fee that he'll do it for

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25,000 and concluding court fees his

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name is Steve Metcalf from Metcalf and

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Metcalf PC you want me to give the

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address of where he's located it's 11

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Broadway sweet 615 new york new york one

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zero zero zero four and dick and i spent

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the better part of two hours the other

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day and we copied and stapled every

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letter that john had ever written to

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elaine Douglas and she had saved every

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one of those letters and so some of them

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are like love letters some just are

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general information of what's going on

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with John but in our opinion we think

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that those letters indicate what frame

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of mind John was in or knew the rest

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they were dating when when he was

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arrested so they had a relationship

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later on Elaine kind of gave up on the

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relationship and then moved to Moab Utah

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but I I'd like to read you the cover

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letter that we what with all those

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letters we figured that he'd get these

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letters and say what the heck is this

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you know so here's my letter Metcalfe at

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Metcalf PC 11 Broadway sweet 615 New

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York New York

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zero zero zero for reference John Ford

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case mid-hudson psychiatric hospital

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dear mr. Steve Metcalf you're receiving

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these personal letters written by John

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Ford over a period of years - miss

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Elaine Douglas of Moab Utah John and

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time of his arrest

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these letters will show the state of

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mind John had had at the time of his

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arrest until 2007 when the letters

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stopped coming

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serious illness and she later died from

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breast cancer when he lame dad was

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the Oklahoma UFO paranormal team was

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asked if we wanted to wanted her

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research files we of course said yes it

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was within these files that we

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discovered a very large file on John

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Ford among them were his letters to her

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John's letters all indicate to us he was

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not mentally ill in any way we chose not

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to publish some things in the file for

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personal reasons they were not meant for

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the public to read the majority of the

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files are on WWE legolas files calm if

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you have any questions regarding these

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letters please contact us and I give

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them our number or email address and our

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mailing address sincerely Marilyn and

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Richard Carlson so that's the letter

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explanatory

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well done Marilyn well done so if he

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takes the time to sit and read them he's

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going to be able to formulate a pretty

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good opinion including

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if he spends his time reading John's 82

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page public statement that he made

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regarding it's practically a book

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regarding what happened to him and how

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he got himself into that situation so

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anyway that's that's the latest news

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is that he does have a new attorney and

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I'm I'm really happy that he's switched

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attorneys his other attorney as many of

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may know became very ill with with with

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cancer and he basically didn't have

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and run with it

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on to another attorney so how did he

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come to pick this particular guy Joe

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didn't you help oh yeah we said it was

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through Marty Marty Tankleff the

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gentleman was who was arrested when he

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was might coming through okay yeah okay

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a celebrity in the New York area he was

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arrested at the age of 17 and convicted

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of a very serious crime

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in prison for 17 years and only after

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after 17 years he finally proved as he

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had to prove his innocence basically it

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was a similar situation except he was

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found guilty after trial and John never

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had a trial he was John John Ford was

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completely denied access to the to the

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court system and so forth but the

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Tankleff became basically a local

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celebrity he went to law school and now

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he scours around and he if he has an

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interest in a case he picks attorneys to

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do the you know whatever their specialty

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is whether it be litigation civil rights

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the the rock layer of through the

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justice system and the court system

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cases and he basically he basically

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instructed mr. Metcalf to contact John

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at the contact mate and make

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arrangements so that they could take the

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case they're very interested in the case

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now and it's been for so long I mean

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we're talking about 21 and a half

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in custody illegally and I spoke with

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him at someone and I said to him every

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possible website link every video links

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to videos that are up there concerning

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the the district attorney and so forth

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Tuesday John was John was had his mental

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health evaluation for the for the staff

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at the North Hudson facility there they

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had five psychiatrists and the entire

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the entire treatment team go in there

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and give testimony concerning John and

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John was led in there with this present

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lawyer which is a mr. Reno Reno okay so

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it was after that that John it was over

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the weekend prior to that John gave me

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the final say so that it was okay to

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send this guy in this guy is checked for

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more actually more than he makes in a

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year for his disability income from the

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state of New York which he wouldn't have

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access to if he had pled guilty to a to

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a felony even a low a low level felony

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and and he would not have been able to

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to have any access to to a to an

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attorney of the stature and considering

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his level of expertise John's getting a

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bargain okay and but I had a wait for

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final agreement you know with John are

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you absolutely sure

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is he gonna cover everything have you

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spoken with the guy spoke with him

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several times and I believe he's going

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up to visit him sometime this week I'm

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not certain of that I spoke with John

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earlier this evening and he seems very

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according to Reno the last event on this

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the the meeting with the psychiatrist

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and the only and the lawyers and the

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district attorney's office he arena

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Trina told him that he thought something

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smelled something wasn't right

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they were trying to set him up for

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something but he did very well in his

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his participation in that in that venue

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so so we have the guy as soon as he

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cashes the check I guess you can go up

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and see John and I get any other

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information he needs

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oh that's where that's the ends right

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initially been under the impression that

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Marty Tankleff was going to take over

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himself is there some reason why he

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recommended

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he's Metcalfe yes there was Marty

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Tankleff is not he's not able to take

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certain cases by himself because of his

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level of expertise is with the bar and

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so forth he hasn't but he only started

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going to school and then to law school

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when he was 34 okay

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he's 37 or 38 so he what he does is he

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you know after winning one of the suits

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now he can go out and hire these lawyers

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and pick the cases that he wants to so

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they work for him okay and he gets

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somebody that has a lot of courtroom

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experience if something has to go to

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federal court he's dead so somebody that

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only with Viral court ifs mental health

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court they bring somebody mental health

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experts in so he said he picks and

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chooses and he finds the best people for

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the job and people aren't going to back

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down and he specifically taught me that

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several times on the phone people that

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don't back down are going to be involved

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in this people that want publicity

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regarding this case that people are

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gonna shower with like like his previous

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attorneys all right people want

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publicity that wants to be on a radio

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over there I go bring it to the

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of local and network and hopefully

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international television just like the

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alleged crime okay and there was no

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crime let's make it let's make that very

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very clear there was no crime this is a

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fourth crime this is something that was

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taken from an innocent man in his home

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where the expectation of privacy was was

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paramount

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all right it was the dirtiest way

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possible okay everybody here knows what

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I'm talking about am I correct yes yeah

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I'm totally how yeah this is something

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that we are we talk about even on the

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radio joking around about you know this

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guy and this guy and political opponents

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people what we believe in people that

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you know that attracted detractors to

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the you know just two basic moral from

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anybody you know of any living human and

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these people were so far below that and

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they had to find a scapegoat for their

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dirty deeds and they won't have to join

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okay it's just a horrible horrible thing

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it's all political

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and it smells and hep 20 over 21 years

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now it's just gotten to the point of

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stupidity

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John just turned I believe 70 this past

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the best way clay price okay I put it

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this way night they don't remember I use

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thanks buddy speaker s crickets are I

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think I that that's about the update

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upshot of everything it's the 11th and

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younger sister August so we both have

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very many more jobs

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what's interesting Joe his 11th was my

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dad's

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think it's better you mentioned two

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siblings - the only siblings one on

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August 6 and the other one on 9/11

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no it's actually the 11th I put then I

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put down a tenth so people won't

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associate me with that day you know

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unless I do have a friend actually whose

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birthday is now it's hard to celebrate

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you have such of an arm in his birthday

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yeah my dad says he was the first

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disaster on 9/11 it's funny okay Peter

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moon could I take over for a bit here

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sure and I want to talk about something

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that occurred Friday night and how it

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ties into the John Ford paradigm there

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was a History Channel documentary on a

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new that was about the Montauk Project

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on the dark files now Jerry 'some ECU's

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you saw this correct if they did okay

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I'd like you to now give I mean so it's

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not because this concerns I you know

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research the Montauk Project for 27

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years I'm the author and publisher of

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the book along with Preston Nichols and

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because Jerry you're a reporter who's

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been on the scene for a long long time

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I'd like to give your objective account

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of what you saw on Friday well as you as

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I had I had messaged you Saturday my you

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know one thing I was I was immensely

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bothered by it was that now I I know I

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know from you know Peter previously

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mentioned that he had been interviewed

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for this for this for this show at

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length

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then so I was very eager to see now the

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number one they didn't use his interview

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at all and number two when they talked

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about the Montauk books they just said

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press and Nichols author of the Montauk

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books when I know a few Peter at all

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know so I I was I was pretty outraged

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it's just that that to me says a lot

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about something at first why would they

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even do that number number one secondly

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the fact is if those original Montauk

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books if obviously Preston gave a lot of

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info about it I know maybe I shouldn't

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say I know I'm surmising that Peter

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actually did the writing that ya know

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you know presidents apart so to just say

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I mean I know if I had been the

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co-author a book and I see it on TV

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program and they just mentioned my

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co-author as the author I'd be pretty

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pissed and the fact the fact is that

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it's really without Peter moon this

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whole month

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it you know I guess it would have been a

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local legends or people will talk about

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it locally on Long Island but he put it

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out there there would be no teeth TV

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thing I don't understand why they did

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that and I you know I I mean that to me

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stands out among everything I'm not

362
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saying that they had these they had

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three people they have one was a

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reporter one was allegedly had worked

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previously in the CIA and the third guy

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was a guy who could get a no I yeah he

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did the movie right right and and he

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yeah he had he had apparently summit in

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Montauk as a kid he mentioned some

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incident when he was say less than ten

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in the early 80s where he was walking on

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the beach with his dad and around camp

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hero you know I guess in the the

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shoreline primitive camp ERL and they

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were stopped from going further by some

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guy he just who described it

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you can't go past here I had piqued his

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interest in over the years he had you

379
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know kind of follow this and I guess

380
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when the book came the books came out he

381
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followed the story and then he also they

382
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interviewed somebody if I'm correct if

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the guy's name his last name is minik is

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that right Peter something like that

385
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yeah yeah as as a kid as a teenager or

386
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young guy he and his friend said you

387
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know clandestinely gone on the base

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because exploring the buildings and did

389
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a lot of filming and you know nobody

390
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nobody can take me I was there when I

391
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was in my 30s okay I was out there with

392
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the creative people and I have hours and

393
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hours of video that's much better than

394
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the stuff they put on that show and they

395
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so Preston in his worst shape possible

396
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they come completely off-guard they have

397
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a guy standing out there with a medal

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wearing that wearing a pot on his head

399
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what does that say well let me let me

400
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surmise this and get to it I like I like

401
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I like Peter to give his comments off

402
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since he was involved in Peter Peter as

403
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you surmised this would you please tie

404
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it in because the John Ford for the

405
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audience I'm gonna tie it in and this is

406
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though and I'll just briefly address

407
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these because the whole point here is

408
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that this was a documentary that was

409
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pretending to be objective I had you

410
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know of course there's all sorts of

411
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information that was supplied to them

412
00:22:35,150 --> 00:22:33,240
the final conclusion was that no there's

413
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no plausibility that time travel

414
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happened well I supplied them with a

415
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patent application for the time reactor

416
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certain people were misrepresented to me

417
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and I'm overall I'm happy that they

418
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:50,309
promoted the book so and also what it's

419
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:52,730
done is create a groundswell of support

420
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for another documentary which might well

421
00:23:00,649 --> 00:23:00,270
include Joe's apart oh I have to what

422
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,659
this is

423
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stellen development because there's a

424
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lot of interesting things happening

425
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:04,549
right now

426
00:23:09,979 --> 00:23:08,039
obesity me with connections in los

427
00:23:11,419 --> 00:23:09,989
angeles or doing something but that's

428
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:11,429
really beside the point

429
00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:17,460
now with written here is that this

430
00:23:22,129 --> 00:23:19,529
pretends to be objective and I told them

431
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about John for two and they wanted to do

432
00:23:28,369 --> 00:23:24,210
a whole this whole show was supposed to

433
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,379
be a pilot for a series and they were

434
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using the Montauk Project as a vehicle

435
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:32,249
and they advertise that they're going to

436
00:23:36,259 --> 00:23:34,830
do area 51 Dulce that the same old stuff

437
00:23:38,719 --> 00:23:36,269
we've heard of before

438
00:23:41,779 --> 00:23:38,729
so it's really about putting on a radio

439
00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:41,789
TV show that will mimic the success of

440
00:23:48,019 --> 00:23:46,739
ancient aliens so what we're getting now

441
00:23:50,479 --> 00:23:48,029
when the rete we talk about aliens

442
00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:50,489
that's a show I can't stand to watch by

443
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:52,109
the way but that's beside the point a

444
00:23:59,749 --> 00:23:55,470
John Ford was a UFO investigator his

445
00:24:04,639 --> 00:23:59,759
case is a dark file his case yeah or

446
00:24:07,249 --> 00:24:04,649
important then area 51 or Dulce or even

447
00:24:09,889 --> 00:24:07,259
the Montauk Project because it is a

448
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:09,899
civil rights issue of all human beings

449
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:12,659
in the United States of America so yeah

450
00:24:18,229 --> 00:24:14,970
and you see they're not interested in

451
00:24:25,009 --> 00:24:18,239
pursuing this now when we go back to the

452
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,019
History Channel it is owned by the it's

453
00:24:29,659 --> 00:24:27,960
the same situation as a and E but it's

454
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:29,669
its own I think it's owned by an e but

455
00:24:35,139 --> 00:24:32,609
the ultimate corporate owners are Disney

456
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and the Hearst Corporation

457
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so of course and it's tied to an e I

458
00:24:43,129 --> 00:24:40,320
forget the structure and AM II was the

459
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:43,139
one that that basically ashcan

460
00:24:48,889 --> 00:24:45,869
the John Ford investigation in the first

461
00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:48,899
place so we're dealing with media that

462
00:24:55,609 --> 00:24:51,869
will create a narrative that is not in

463
00:24:58,009 --> 00:24:55,619
the best interests of anyone it is sort

464
00:25:00,440 --> 00:24:58,019
of like a sleight of hand like oh look

465
00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:00,450
at all this interesting stuff yet we're

466
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,659
not giving you the real issue now this

467
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:06,080
is a cause a legitimate cause for

468
00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:11,279
outrage but then a good we can all be

469
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,270
outraged but the

470
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:15,760
news is that there is a groundswell of

471
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:18,850
support swelling right now but this will

472
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:20,920
take time it will not immediately

473
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:26,230
relieve the John Ford case but I just

474
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:27,850
wanted to mention that this is what

475
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,840
we're up against

476
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:31,120
I'm I'm I have no reason to be

477
00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:33,580
optimistic about this new attorney other

478
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than he's a new attorney and I'm

479
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thankful that we have a new attorney so

480
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I the beacon of which hey Maryland do

481
00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:44,680
you think this legal beagle would come

482
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:47,920
on the show and talk to us all I can say

483
00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:50,980
is we can certainly talk to him if it's

484
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,340
really the case that they want to be on

485
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:56,620
TV and they want to talk about things I

486
00:26:04,140 --> 00:25:59,410
would see no reason why they would

487
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:04,150
decline doing a great interview so I

488
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would say the odds in ninety percent are

489
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:08,530
greater because this guy sounded like he

490
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:10,390
wanted to get everything out there and

491
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:13,380
that he was looking for media attention

492
00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:17,050
twice cases are one of the media and you

493
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:19,000
see that guy who used to be the Southern

494
00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:20,740
Poverty I don't know that he was the

495
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:22,540
white guy that was always fighting civil

496
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:26,610
rights causes in the south a white guy

497
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:31,240
very prominent attorney I can't think of

498
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:32,350
a say but I know who you're talking

499
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,020
about it's always on you know pounding

500
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:37,840
the pavement to make his case is known

501
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:40,420
and it's in this Gloria Allred who does

502
00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:43,510
up oh yeah sex abuse she's always in the

503
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:45,670
media she's a media magnate and you know

504
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:48,490
she never tries cases I heard she's

505
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:50,140
never tried a case she always gets

506
00:26:56,670 --> 00:26:53,050
settlements because she's a media

507
00:26:59,070 --> 00:26:56,680
magnate and that's what she does well

508
00:27:02,940 --> 00:26:59,080
about damn time yet somebody gets out

509
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:02,950
we're still even even if you say they

510
00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:04,690
didn't want to get to the depth of the

511
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:06,820
situation I don't even understand the

512
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:09,250
purpose in cutting you out of that show

513
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:11,500
and not even accrediting you with the

514
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:14,170
flip books I don't even know well I will

515
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:16,330
tell you why Jerry I will tell you what

516
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:19,090
because I actually offered them evidence

517
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,380
of time travel and you can see it on my

518
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:25,360
website time travel education center

519
00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:26,470
calm

520
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:28,870
these this is actual science based upon

521
00:27:33,659 --> 00:27:31,240
somebody who has actually created a time

522
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,669
reactor with a patent application it

523
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:36,880
stands up to scientific scrutiny and if

524
00:27:41,399 --> 00:27:38,770
they wanted to discredit it and

525
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:41,409
discredit me they would have gotten some

526
00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:44,350
hack scientists up there hey well this

527
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:45,880
doesn't exist they didn't want to do

528
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:48,730
that and I think two German scientists

529
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:50,830
here like in the last two years produced

530
00:27:57,779 --> 00:27:54,130
a mathematical formula that time travel

531
00:28:01,049 --> 00:27:57,789
is possible requires an enormous amount

532
00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:01,059
of energy but it is possible no just so

533
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:02,860
you know this whole energy thing is

534
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:05,260
solved they're there they're a little

535
00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:07,510
behind the eight they're a little far

536
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:10,900
off there yes you can go onto my website

537
00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:13,210
time travel Education Center comm and

538
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:14,590
you will see the math and physics a

539
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:16,090
junior high school can understand it

540
00:28:19,409 --> 00:28:17,350
junior high school student can

541
00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:19,419
understand it on the math and physics

542
00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:21,580
that shows the time travel does not

543
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:23,980
violate the laws of physics or math and

544
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:26,409
further well there is except to the rule

545
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:32,110
or boundary but this is this is it's a

546
00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:32,799
done deal

547
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:38,500
at all it's just the access to the

548
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:40,990
technology and and the technology itself

549
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:43,090
so what I'm saying is I provided this

550
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,409
for them and they did not even choose to

551
00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:50,080
dissipate knowledge they did take the

552
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:52,390
diagrams of Preston in the book that he

553
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:56,159
provided for me and were rendered by my

554
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:00,179
ex-wife and said that they were not

555
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:03,250
engineering diagrams although I would

556
00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:05,740
I've known engineers of master engineers

557
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:09,159
that would disagree with their their

558
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,950
comments they also brought diagrams

559
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:13,330
they're not there that's they're not

560
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:16,049
schematics they're not in a schematic

561
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:18,610
that's group they said they brought

562
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:20,830
diagram and they should specify that

563
00:29:24,899 --> 00:29:22,780
they then they were supplied with marked

564
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:24,909
diagrams not with schematic diagrams I

565
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:27,190
mean any engineer knows the difference

566
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,809
anybody knows the difference generally

567
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:30,730
they were doing that they also disputed

568
00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:33,100
Preston's a degree from the University

569
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:36,820
of Tampa and of course Preston had told

570
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:40,450
me that the way he got his degree

571
00:29:44,129 --> 00:29:42,309
he had studied at Brooklyn Polytech and

572
00:29:47,549 --> 00:29:44,139
he was pulled into projects he was

573
00:29:49,139 --> 00:29:47,559
brilliant his you know he was not hired

574
00:29:50,849 --> 00:29:49,149
because of his degree he was hired

575
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:50,859
because of his brilliance in in

576
00:29:56,489 --> 00:29:54,669
technical ease so anyway after he became

577
00:29:58,739 --> 00:29:56,499
he went to Tampa where they had a

578
00:30:01,109 --> 00:29:58,749
program where he could go there spend a

579
00:30:02,879 --> 00:30:01,119
week or two and take tests and they

580
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,889
would validate his knowledge and they

581
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:04,480
would give him a diploma it was an

582
00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:06,669
accredited university but it was at

583
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:09,940
least that he attended as a regular

584
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,200
student related courses what Garrett

585
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:16,960
Otto did was they said oh whoa we

586
00:30:22,649 --> 00:30:19,600
contacted the Tampa University and they

587
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:22,659
they have no record of Preston Nichols

588
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:26,049
and and yet you know Preston did go

589
00:30:31,349 --> 00:30:28,809
there and did take take the test and

590
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,359
pass it probably it's not here at otter

591
00:30:39,479 --> 00:30:35,200
who said that that was the the the CIA

592
00:30:41,009 --> 00:30:39,489
guy I was introduced to me as somebody

593
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:41,019
who'd been in the CIA but he was the

594
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:44,289
reporter the skeptical reporter but in

595
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:46,690
any case it's like they're framing him

596
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:49,950
and if you go to Wikipedia and look at

597
00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:52,600
Frank social framing and this sort of

598
00:30:58,499 --> 00:30:55,659
thing it's like you know you try and

599
00:31:01,320 --> 00:30:58,509
show somebody now Preston Nichols is

600
00:31:05,399 --> 00:31:01,330
somebody who is a genius at the same

601
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,409
time he manifests signs of dysfunction

602
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:09,039
and you know even insanity but they're

603
00:31:13,859 --> 00:31:11,769
they're simultaneous there's that fine

604
00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:13,869
line between being a genius and stepping

605
00:31:21,659 --> 00:31:18,309
over that fine line into insanity and

606
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,669
Preston teeters on that that line yes

607
00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:24,399
but there is a value and bita when

608
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:27,340
Preston Nichols I saw him last week for

609
00:31:31,109 --> 00:31:28,840
the first time in two years and he's

610
00:31:34,139 --> 00:31:31,119
he's on a walker and whatnot but he was

611
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:34,149
very coherent he was you know he's he's

612
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,769
doing better than he has in some time

613
00:31:42,869 --> 00:31:39,039
how does this tie in then with the John

614
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:42,879
Ford case I said that it's we're dealing

615
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,980
with the media and the media's refusal

616
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,200
to deal with it and it's like you're

617
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:49,559
dealing and the media is controlled by

618
00:31:53,789 --> 00:31:52,480
powers behind the media that also

619
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:53,799
control

620
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:56,289
hours behind the Institute that he's in

621
00:32:00,299 --> 00:31:57,730
and the court system that he's in

622
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:00,309
they're all tied together and if you go

623
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:02,230
to the same clubs you might just find

624
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:05,230
all of these people in you know being

625
00:32:08,639 --> 00:32:08,019
tortured by the same dominatrix and I'm

626
00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:08,649
not joking

627
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:12,549
Preston were friends worthy not John and

628
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:14,830
Preston were friends and Preston was a

629
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:17,529
member of he was the scientific

630
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:19,330
consultant for the Long Island UFO

631
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:23,049
network yeah okay and he was the one

632
00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:25,450
that first notified me of John's

633
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:28,600
incarceration and I asked him about the

634
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:30,220
search warrant he went got it from the

635
00:32:34,229 --> 00:32:31,809
refrigerator it's a whole search warrant

636
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:34,239
case so Preston was a part of the

637
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:37,929
initial and I used to visit John in the

638
00:32:41,549 --> 00:32:40,090
jail with Preston and one time they

639
00:32:43,109 --> 00:32:41,559
wouldn't let Preston in and he was

640
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:43,119
outraged they let me in but they

641
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:48,159
wouldn't let Preston in yeah so Walt

642
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:51,460
with John Ford yeah as a friend and

643
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:54,460
provided me with the with the audio

644
00:32:59,609 --> 00:32:57,609
tapes from the from the police which I

645
00:33:01,859 --> 00:32:59,619
listened to with which were on video and

646
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:01,869
he put them on video for a specific

647
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:04,840
reason because everything every 30th of

648
00:33:10,229 --> 00:33:07,690
every 60th of a second the speed is

649
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:10,239
updated so the speed from the cassette

650
00:33:14,879 --> 00:33:12,940
tape to video tape is identical and

651
00:33:17,999 --> 00:33:14,889
everything everything should be perfect

652
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:18,009
and unfortunately the time codes don't

653
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:20,769
match up and that was that allowed me if

654
00:33:24,899 --> 00:33:22,450
it wasn't for Preston putting that on

655
00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:24,909
videotape and said it you're on the

656
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:27,309
audio track of the video tape as opposed

657
00:33:31,019 --> 00:33:29,169
to putting it on it on an audio tape and

658
00:33:33,739 --> 00:33:31,029
having it degrade and stuff over time I

659
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:33,749
would not have been able to ascertain

660
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,289
down to the limits of of error you know

661
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:41,440
to within any limits of error that that

662
00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:48,159
the the goryeo had been changed okay so

663
00:33:55,259 --> 00:33:51,549
he he did he did really have it you know

664
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:55,269
he had he had his stuff together back

665
00:34:00,239 --> 00:33:58,090
back when John was arrested he provided

666
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:00,249
me with he with the with the audio

667
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:03,460
evidence and I think what they did to

668
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,559
him was a hatchet job they they took him

669
00:34:08,050 --> 00:34:07,330
at his worst and they had somebody

670
00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:08,060
outside

671
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:10,400
alleging that he was a Preston Nichols

672
00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:14,870
disciple wearing a would equal a a pot

673
00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:17,750
on his head I mean come on they think

674
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:20,150
they're making a guy look look nuts they

675
00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:22,190
take a couple of things to be statements

676
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:25,700
out of context okay a couple of this do

677
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:29,720
we understand is Joe and but was a

678
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:32,990
hatchet job yes job back to the John

679
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:36,520
port case with reference to this radio

680
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:40,190
and video of the radio signals this is

681
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:44,240
very good evidence that could be used to

682
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,450
vindicate John the problem is we don't

683
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:50,480
have a forum to vindicate John and the

684
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:52,580
forum like say they create a forum with

685
00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:54,590
this TV show but in the court they

686
00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:56,390
create their own form and they frame

687
00:35:02,560 --> 00:34:59,030
things so that you know there's been no

688
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:02,570
opportunity to vindicate John with this

689
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:04,790
evidence that you have and with an

690
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:07,130
expert to such as yourself to explain

691
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:11,650
the evidence to a jury or a judge and

692
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:14,930
because the issue is not about whether

693
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:18,590
John was framed by the police the issue

694
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:21,530
is whether John is sane or not and this

695
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:24,890
is the problem and this is right and and

696
00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:27,110
it's like and then they have five

697
00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:29,420
psychiatrists three through the district

698
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:31,640
attorney's office - from the hospital

699
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:34,630
and his treatment team taking taking the

700
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:36,860
interviews from John with his attorney

701
00:35:41,710 --> 00:35:39,560
present but still the treatment team was

702
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:41,720
interviewed separately and John was not

703
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,450
allowed to have copies or anything

704
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:46,430
anything hey have anything to do with

705
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:48,080
that it was a lot to listen his lawyer

706
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:49,850
wasn't allowed to go in there so what

707
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:52,550
the treatment scene said to the to the

708
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,310
psychiatrist and what John said to the

709
00:36:00,250 --> 00:35:57,760
psychiatrist are are two separate things

710
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:00,260
okay and John was only allowed to have

711
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:02,210
an attorney present and know what he

712
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,630
said and what was asked of him okay so

713
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:08,720
so he hasn't gotten a yay or nay or

714
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:10,100
whether he's going to be going home or

715
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:12,740
not but it doesn't look like it okay

716
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:14,780
the whole issue is on it up before

717
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,210
patients rights mental mental patients

718
00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:20,000
rights and it's like very limited very

719
00:36:24,609 --> 00:36:21,980
limited all right

720
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,619
you know we've we've we've taken every

721
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:27,200
tack that you that you suggested at

722
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:30,530
least I've made enquiries about every

723
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:33,410
tack that you suggested Peter and and

724
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:35,840
this this guy does not want to budge it

725
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,420
seems that the new guy does he's not

726
00:36:41,770 --> 00:36:39,920
just interested in that he's interested

727
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:41,780
in getting the entire story i which

728
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:45,890
includes the phony search the search

729
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:49,609
warrant the firm the phony the phony

730
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:52,820
audio every speaking of the attorney or

731
00:36:55,870 --> 00:36:54,050
the psychiatrist you're speaking of the

732
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:55,880
attorney the attorney the attorney the

733
00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,530
new attorney okay

734
00:37:02,380 --> 00:36:59,570
the original attorney wants to play

735
00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:02,390
completely within the bounds of mental

736
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:05,180
health law in New York State okay this

737
00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:06,710
guy wants to go out if he has to go to

738
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:09,020
federal court he will all right if he

739
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,000
gets to go if he has to appeal appeal is

740
00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:14,000
to a different a different level a

741
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:16,220
different venue to get into into a civil

742
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:18,680
rights type of situation he'll do it

743
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:21,230
okay and I'm let me tell you something

744
00:37:27,609 --> 00:37:23,450
let me tell you something and this is

745
00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:27,619
that see what really is good if a lawyer

746
00:37:32,530 --> 00:37:30,230
has the pout like like if you go to a

747
00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:32,540
high law firm they have power and clout

748
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:35,540
that a lower law firm doesn't and that

749
00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:37,310
means they have associates in the media

750
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:40,580
and this is what we need now right now I

751
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,680
am working with the whole sort of issue

752
00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:48,640
that Jerry had mentioned about myself

753
00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:51,500
being issue I'm dealing with a member

754
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:53,000
who's been involved in many secret

755
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:55,010
societies and the Defense Department of

756
00:37:59,980 --> 00:37:57,710
the defense industry and he's now he's

757
00:38:03,430 --> 00:37:59,990
outraged personally it the way I've been

758
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:03,440
ignored by the media and my work not me

759
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,420
so much but the work that I've done so

760
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:08,000
in other words he has certain clout in

761
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:11,000
terms of Technology in terms of bridge

762
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:13,910
or we're gonna try and do a big end

763
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:18,020
around on everything and it's all as to

764
00:38:23,859 --> 00:38:20,690
do with movie technology but by the same

765
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:23,869
token if this attorney it's like we need

766
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:27,650
power brokers and I guess when I went

767
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:30,440
from my own personal issue the times are

768
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:33,140
changing the the Freemasons and these

769
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:35,240
people have their own clockwork

770
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:37,910
sometimes they will acknowledge and let

771
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,990
loose truths I heard this many years ago

772
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:43,520
that they were releasing all of this

773
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:46,130
truth and information I'd never got debt

774
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,250
and got to me per se but in other words

775
00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:52,400
they're not all bad they certainly get

776
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,840
in the way of things but they basically

777
00:38:58,690 --> 00:38:56,240
control all of these things so it's like

778
00:39:01,870 --> 00:38:58,700
some people sometimes the the worm turns

779
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:01,880
and if these lawyer if the lawyer has

780
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,480
contacts in the media in influence it's

781
00:39:12,070 --> 00:39:08,240
like we need the the squirt gun to be

782
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:12,080
fired and and shed some water or light

783
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,150
on the situation and this is what in

784
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:16,160
it's just because to put it in the

785
00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:18,200
framework of a like that like Robert

786
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,270
Reno wanted to do he was trying to work

787
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:22,640
in with a system and it sort of made

788
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:25,550
sense but it didn't work and that's the

789
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:27,410
problem cuz this life rate as Donald

790
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:29,180
Trump would say the system is rigged and

791
00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:33,140
it is a great system and this yeah it's

792
00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:35,420
not just this it's not just this it I

793
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:37,880
mean the man was never was never you

794
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:41,300
know uh you know yeah he was invited but

795
00:39:45,790 --> 00:39:42,710
it you could invite a loaf of bread

796
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:45,800
right you can somebody said you could

797
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:53,020
well you you know you kid the diamond is

798
00:39:58,540 --> 00:39:56,210
not a conviction all right and the fact

799
00:40:03,790 --> 00:39:58,550
that John feared he had a legitimate

800
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:03,800
reason for for allowing his attorney is

801
00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:08,930
that attorney in 1996-1997 who was

802
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,830
tiring politically for claiming that he

803
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:15,680
was he was psychiatrically impaired

804
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,690
because he was protecting his pension

805
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:20,480
okay this is his New York state pension

806
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,940
he worked for over 20 years carrying a

807
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:26,000
gun for the New York State New York

808
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:29,060
state state Supreme Court without

809
00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:32,570
incident and how is he a problem how is

810
00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:34,760
he an issue how was he dangerous that's

811
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:37,340
at the age of seventy now well that's

812
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:41,810
been my question all along you got you

813
00:40:48,849 --> 00:40:46,190
have twenty years of a man carrying a

814
00:40:52,420 --> 00:40:48,859
firearm in the judicial system and

815
00:40:54,579 --> 00:40:52,430
state of New York writers there is no

816
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:54,589
indication that he had any mental

817
00:41:00,609 --> 00:40:58,970
problems okay and then and I think a

818
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:00,619
Maryland those letters from Elaine

819
00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:03,650
Douglas I think is very very powerful

820
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:06,109
not many people have read them but ken

821
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,109
has read them and he is in full

822
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:12,160
agreement with with dick and I that that

823
00:41:22,839 --> 00:41:15,230
those letters indicate that jon is not

824
00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:22,849
in that case yeah that's what pissed me

825
00:41:27,309 --> 00:41:24,680
off with this other legal big oak

826
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,319
because he came on the show and that we

827
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:30,079
told him about that yes that he did he

828
00:41:36,609 --> 00:41:32,450
could go to the Elaine Douglas website

829
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:36,619
and see stuff and give you a an idea of

830
00:41:46,509 --> 00:41:44,720
John's frame of mind yeah and I can't

831
00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:46,519
believe that wasn't even given to his

832
00:41:51,069 --> 00:41:49,460
psychiatrist say hey Doc okay

833
00:41:54,009 --> 00:41:51,079
read these letters that tell me that

834
00:41:58,029 --> 00:41:54,019
this man is or is not saying the law the

835
00:42:00,729 --> 00:41:58,039
letters did not become known and and I

836
00:42:04,779 --> 00:42:00,739
don't I don't know why Elaine saved them

837
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:04,789
but she did but uh Elaine you know she

838
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:08,119
knows enough about the law because that

839
00:42:13,059 --> 00:42:11,180
was part of her business that she how

840
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:13,069
she made a living was working with

841
00:42:20,729 --> 00:42:18,170
attorneys to promote themselves and to

842
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:20,739
get their business up and running after

843
00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:26,150
law school graduation and she so she

844
00:42:31,059 --> 00:42:29,059
should have been able to come forward

845
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,069
with those letters maybe she tried I

846
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:33,230
don't know but we did not know about

847
00:42:40,989 --> 00:42:38,420
those letters until we inherited her all

848
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:40,999
of her research files that she had done

849
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:44,180
over the years with not just John Ford

850
00:42:53,019 --> 00:42:50,569
but many other UFO cases the way

851
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:53,029
Integris Elaine Douglas was one of the

852
00:42:59,559 --> 00:42:55,670
first people that contacted me after

853
00:43:01,900 --> 00:42:59,569
John was committed and asked asset that

854
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:01,910
if she could use my name address and

855
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,230
telephone

856
00:43:10,329 --> 00:43:07,280
it was basically just a text website the

857
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:10,339
original website for John Ford was run

858
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:14,140
by Elaine Douglas it was it was a

859
00:43:19,089 --> 00:43:16,520
restored John Ford or something to that

860
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:19,099
effect and it was me and maybe three

861
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:19,790
other people

862
00:43:28,329 --> 00:43:25,520
I think maximum on their 1998 1997 yeah

863
00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:28,339
when John was first put up there and it

864
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,460
was just a long narrative and I I signed

865
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:33,680
it with my name and phone number you

866
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:36,410
know at that time the area code here was

867
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:38,780
five one six thousand sixty one I had

868
00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:40,910
the same phone number but I had my name

869
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:43,270
address and phone number up there and

870
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:46,609
and and I was in communication with her

871
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:50,540
as well and it was very well written so

872
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:52,430
I believe she worked for CNN at one time

873
00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:58,010
in the early 90s in one yeah yeah and

874
00:44:02,349 --> 00:44:00,170
when she was in DC I was speaking with

875
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:02,359
her well when she was in DC - he's over

876
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:04,730
here visiting and she called me to ask

877
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:06,260
me if he could use my name and I said

878
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:09,140
absolutely after I read over I called

879
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:10,670
her back I said you absolutely put my

880
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:17,119
name right on there no problem in the

881
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:20,390
lanes file she had a whole big list of

882
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:29,440
group that she had their names addresses

883
00:44:34,809 --> 00:44:31,910
and phone numbers email addresses and so

884
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:34,819
forth for contact and this is how I

885
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:38,569
found Joseph Pardo was his name was on

886
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:41,150
that list and I went down the list

887
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,670
calling names some people returned my

888
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:45,040
calls

889
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:47,270
yeah we didn't even know if John was

890
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:49,190
even alive when we found found those

891
00:44:57,309 --> 00:44:52,040
papers we'd heard about him but we they

892
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:57,319
he was lost in the shuffle and and so we

893
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,210
didn't know what happened to him and so

894
00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:00,800
I thought well I'm gonna try and find

895
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:04,220
out so I called every name that Elena

896
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:06,530
had on that list and Joseph Pardo's was

897
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,010
there

898
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:09,950
Preston Lang's amazed I was amazed

899
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:13,400
because because nobody nobody called me

900
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:16,610
up asking for Rio about John Ford I try

901
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:19,370
to get coverage for John Ford I went I

902
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:21,110
went out and I actively tried to get him

903
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:23,750
some kind of coverage nobody nobody was

904
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:26,270
interested that's newly nobody and all

905
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:28,850
of a sudden first first you called then

906
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:31,010
Rick called then I think Peter called

907
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,950
rent in same year or the nectar falling

908
00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:35,930
here and then we got this radio show

909
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:39,320
going yeah no I was amazed I was amazed

910
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:42,350
that people finally you know after so

911
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:43,190
many years

912
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:45,110
yeah maybe they talked to John I didn't

913
00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:46,610
know what the deal was I said if it's

914
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:48,740
going to be good for John Ford you know

915
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:51,140
if you look into it you created it free

916
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:52,700
to fail like whatever you do is fine

917
00:45:59,710 --> 00:45:54,440
with me that's what that was my response

918
00:46:03,850 --> 00:45:59,720
might collect yes yeah yes that's true

919
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:03,860
and so you know we just picked up the

920
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:07,150
ball and ran with it and thank God

921
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:09,740
inception radio decided that they would

922
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:13,490
do a radio show and we you know it just

923
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:17,180
it's been a blessing for John and and

924
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,070
Joanne and Nick and I and you know these

925
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:25,040
guys and you guys too for for all all of

926
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:28,010
you for doing this and I am your key I

927
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:31,310
have to say with I'm not you might call

928
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:34,460
me in that case because it was out of

929
00:46:41,070 --> 00:46:36,710
the blue that I get this phone call from

930
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:41,080
Elaine's uh from the fellow that was

931
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:43,850
given the task of taking care of her

932
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,630
estate and he asked us if we wanted her

933
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,520
files and I could not believe it because

934
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:51,920
I I'd never heard of them and before or

935
00:46:56,830 --> 00:46:53,720
anything and I get this phone call and

936
00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:56,840
right from the beginning I felt as if

937
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:00,620
Elaine was up there somewhere saying you

938
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:02,660
call Maryland she'll take care of it I

939
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:05,000
know because she's a bulldog what we did

940
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:06,710
right after she passed away we said I

941
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:08,990
wonder where her thought what were files

942
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:10,250
are going yeah

943
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:13,370
and just amongst marijuana yeah and then

944
00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:15,980
right after that I get a phone call it

945
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:18,080
was like men up I I must have been in

946
00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:21,800
tune with that one and well is she still

947
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:23,840
under pitching for John Ford man her

948
00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:26,930
letters she has to be

949
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:29,029
hey whatever you want to call it but

950
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:30,319
there's still a force there at work

951
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:35,089
absolutely yes yes yeah everything is

952
00:47:40,839 --> 00:47:38,180
evident and Peter I think your name was

953
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:40,849
on that list as well I remember

954
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,450
correctly I knew Elaine and you know we

955
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:46,640
didn't dialogue a whole lot but yeah I

956
00:47:55,329 --> 00:47:51,049
didn't know her yeah yeah so you know I

957
00:48:03,599 --> 00:47:55,339
knew her when she was very very sick and

958
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:05,769
hey you know a little bit about my

959
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:07,490
personality so there were a couple of

960
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:10,190
times that Elaine and I were nose to

961
00:48:21,819 --> 00:48:13,099
nose I mean in a professional friendly

962
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:21,829
yes kind of kinda sorta way yeah the bad

963
00:48:26,529 --> 00:48:24,680
part about it was she was riding with us

964
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,539
and we were about a hundred miles from

965
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:29,599
Oklahoma City and I says well you know

966
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:31,190
maybe you're gonna have to take a cab

967
00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:43,609
back you know we had she was she was a

968
00:48:48,839 --> 00:48:46,460
good researcher though she she oh yes

969
00:48:51,099 --> 00:48:48,849
she was a digger

970
00:48:53,710 --> 00:48:51,109
yeah all of her files

971
00:48:56,829 --> 00:48:53,720
so what's it what's that Marilyn it was

972
00:48:58,660 --> 00:48:56,839
evident in all of her files right right

973
00:49:00,010 --> 00:48:58,670
anybody that that's listening to go to

974
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,020
that website you'll see what we're

975
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:07,720
was one of the one of the sites that I

976
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:09,710
said the the attorney to were and my

977
00:49:15,819 --> 00:49:12,609
initial conversation with my email yeah

978
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:15,829
and he promised to visit not just that

979
00:49:22,329 --> 00:49:19,849
but also Rick's site the the fundraising

980
00:49:25,269 --> 00:49:22,339
site with all the audio and stuff on it

981
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:25,279
and then links to the to the video I

982
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:29,450
have up on YouTube but like 10 15 minute

983
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,529
segments of different mostly news 12

984
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:36,319
which is on Long Island something Kathy

985
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:39,410
mostly where that was the lead story

986
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:40,520
every hour

987
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:43,070
up until white a hundred was taken out

988
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:45,800
of the sky that was the lead story you

989
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:47,630
know this guy's crazy he's gonna put

990
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:50,150
uranium and toothpaste and there won't

991
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:52,850
be an open spirit night and there's no

992
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:54,170
tokens he couldn't find another

993
00:49:58,810 --> 00:49:56,360
co-conspirator they had to drop the car

994
00:50:00,670 --> 00:49:58,820
charges against a beau it was the word

995
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:00,680
of one man who doesn't really have much

996
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:04,400
of a word Joe Massey Charlie okay and no

997
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:10,010
one else was yeah I hate to keep stole a

998
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:14,270
gun maybe maybe neither one gun and and

999
00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:16,310
you know the numbers come back to John

1000
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:19,550
hey he's a perfect scapegoat okay he's a

1001
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:22,130
perfect scapegoat for what they're doing

1002
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:24,740
takes the attention off of the wealth of

1003
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:27,620
the crooked politicians and it makes

1004
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:29,870
them the target something hard and the

1005
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:32,270
illegal dumping that was going on like

1006
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:34,610
not just the illegal dropping to chop

1007
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:38,150
shops drug deals sand mining there's

1008
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:40,430
tons of stuff that they were doing that

1009
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:42,110
they got away with right up until the

1010
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:44,360
time they were either put in prison died

1011
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:50,510
or you know you know I mean I mean once

1012
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:53,480
and once John entered the hopper into

1013
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:55,670
that system that legal system it's

1014
00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:56,990
self-perpetuating

1015
00:51:02,140 --> 00:50:59,540
that I mean based upon what little I

1016
00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:02,150
know I mean they evaluate him and they

1017
00:51:05,890 --> 00:51:03,740
pass judgment on him he doesn't have it

1018
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:05,900
he doesn't have a fair representation of

1019
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:13,040
his case say no he can't get out

1020
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:16,850
you know saying

1021
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:19,220
that's ridiculous why should you have to

1022
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:21,620
prove that you're saying okay he doesn't

1023
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:23,090
believe in anything that we don't all

1024
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:25,600
believe in okay yeah

1025
00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:29,090
even he doesn't believe in you know he

1026
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:30,740
believes in whatever that's just show it

1027
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:33,650
to him okay if he's shown you know

1028
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:35,840
evidence that goes one way it leads one

1029
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:39,380
way on purpose okay you know and they're

1030
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,750
trying to steer in one way but he said

1031
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,000
he's not the type of guy to act on that

1032
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:47,440
to take to to yeah well

1033
00:51:55,350 --> 00:51:52,000
I they okay but he's not he's not he's

1034
00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:55,360
not he's not violent

1035
00:51:59,940 --> 00:51:57,940
okay never has been never won't be in my

1036
00:52:02,100 --> 00:51:59,950
opinion do you ever talk to John you

1037
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:02,110
would hear it when you hear his voice

1038
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:06,610
he's a very soft-spoken man and he's not

1039
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:11,290
easily excitable and I could you know

1040
00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:12,910
because I asked him some really blunt

1041
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:14,920
point-blank questions when I first

1042
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:17,920
talked to him on the phone and he he was

1043
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:19,810
as calm and as cool as could be and I

1044
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:24,240
answered him with intelligence so a

1045
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:29,290
belief we even posted up at one point in

1046
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:33,760
time on on inception radio we we were

1047
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:37,090
able to record it with his permission he

1048
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:39,160
was not on the show the show itself but

1049
00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:43,080
I recorded it when I talked to him and

1050
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:45,820
you can hear me talking to him and you

1051
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:48,070
can hear his voice and I think that's up

1052
00:52:56,910 --> 00:52:54,870
on the website so you'll get there

1053
00:53:00,420 --> 00:52:56,920
Marilyn this has never been a case of

1054
00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:00,430
this innocence this is what to do with

1055
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:03,160
just shutting him down waiting for him

1056
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:05,350
to die out because I can't let him out

1057
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:07,480
just like him said he's an illegal

1058
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:13,120
hopper right now if they ever do let him

1059
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:19,150
house which won't happen the lawsuits

1060
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:22,420
will be in the billions of dollars I say

1061
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:28,570
easily easily 21 years my wife the legal

1062
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:30,700
motivation here the legal motivation on

1063
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:33,190
a crooked legal system is to keep him

1064
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:42,730
there until he dies I don't see the

1065
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:44,680
Montauk Project you know I don't see

1066
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:46,630
that as like you don't see a lot of

1067
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:48,130
people coming out of the woodwork and

1068
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:50,650
saying hey I was brought here and I was

1069
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:51,730
brought down there

1070
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:53,530
and this is what happened this is the

1071
00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:55,650
result and here are the medical records

1072
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:59,020
everything the open you know I can I can

1073
00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:00,970
kind of understand that wanting this

1074
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,640
wanting to put the kibosh on nap before

1075
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,880
anybody decides you know to start suing

1076
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,160
the airforce

1077
00:54:11,819 --> 00:54:10,720
weather or whoever was running it at the

1078
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:11,829
time

1079
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:16,569
but you know I I don't understand what

1080
00:54:19,859 --> 00:54:18,520
they still have against John other than

1081
00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:19,869
that they're keeping him in there and

1082
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:21,700
they're continuing to say he's crazy

1083
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:24,730
because they don't want to have a

1084
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:34,800
it's tort action mitigation that's all

1085
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:37,720
it is and if anyone's followed what's

1086
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:41,440
going on with the the oh gosh what's the

1087
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:42,790
name of the county I'm drawing a blank

1088
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:49,270
so sorry the Suffolk County in the last

1089
00:54:54,059 --> 00:54:52,089
few years they have been screaming for

1090
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:54,069
money they have no money there they're

1091
00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:58,000
broke and a New York state has had to

1092
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:00,790
bail them out a few times and so if they

1093
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,849
got sued for in the billions and that's

1094
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,440
exactly what it would be is in the

1095
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:07,500
billions

1096
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:11,500
you know Suffolk County would you know

1097
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:20,480
they what they do as they contain it and

1098
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:25,599
judges will become very circumspect to

1099
00:55:30,210 --> 00:55:27,339
the point where they become prejudicial

1100
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:30,220
and judging such cases in the past where

1101
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:33,010
people have legitimate cases that are

1102
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:34,990
not of this magnitude and they will

1103
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,460
railroad the litigant right out of

1104
00:55:43,859 --> 00:55:40,720
getting any sort of settlement don't

1105
00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:43,869
even have you know policemen want to

1106
00:55:47,339 --> 00:55:44,740
come in and lie

1107
00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:47,349
sure and this who was one person who

1108
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:49,329
exposed the policeman lying on the stand

1109
00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:52,810
and he did not he was railroaded out of

1110
00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:55,300
the court even after doing that because

1111
00:55:59,760 --> 00:55:58,270
in other words if you you you know it's

1112
00:56:02,190 --> 00:55:59,770
like you're basically declaring the

1113
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,200
system guilty and the system will not

1114
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:05,200
allow itself to be declared guilty so

1115
00:56:11,069 --> 00:56:07,780
for John to sue them he's never going to

1116
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:11,079
be successful doing that even though he

1117
00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:13,030
has a legitimate complaint it's just

1118
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:14,380
it's not how the system

1119
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:18,010
words it will I don't know this guy look

1120
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:19,660
at look would happen with the guy after

1121
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:21,940
17 years right

1122
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:24,330
they found whoever committed the crime

1123
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:28,360
he was found not guilty at the 17 years

1124
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,930
when he was caught by in a jury trial by

1125
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:34,000
Kron tours he was found guilty at the

1126
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:37,000
age of 17 he's out at the age of 34 and

1127
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:39,130
now he's picking and choosing the

1128
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,930
attorneys the same attorneys that are

1129
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:42,520
going to be working on John's case from

1130
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:46,090
here forward okay so I had a good one

1131
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:51,610
yelling I'm sorry I hope he does win

1132
00:57:00,090 --> 00:56:55,900
it's also typical for a county or or

1133
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:00,100
some entity to have insurance that will

1134
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:03,760
then cover for them do the insurance

1135
00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:09,660
company then having been involved in

1136
00:57:16,050 --> 00:57:12,820
federal litigation at a civil at a civil

1137
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:16,060
letter level I can assure you that even

1138
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:18,070
if it was billions it'll go into

1139
00:57:22,830 --> 00:57:21,160
arbitration and a judge will go hey you

1140
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:22,840
know what there's no way that Suffolk

1141
00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:24,670
County can pay it but they can pay 60

1142
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:26,080
man here's what you're gonna get

1143
00:57:37,350 --> 00:57:35,440
being that okay and so I want to remind

1144
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,360
our listeners and somebody touched on it

1145
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:40,240
earlier in the show and that is this is

1146
00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:42,220
a constitutional issue that we're

1147
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:43,840
dealing with here there are

1148
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:45,880
ramifications that affect each and every

1149
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:49,290
one of us and we should remember that

1150
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:51,700
you know the system's not perfect and

1151
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:53,620
having worked in it for 31 years I can

1152
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:55,780
testify that at 2:00 but it is the only

1153
00:58:02,670 --> 00:57:59,500
system I think that at least you've got

1154
00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:02,680
a shot at it and yes they're ours there

1155
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:05,580
is corruption there is dishonesty but

1156
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:09,760
when it's brought to light I think the

1157
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:11,290
people and that's you and I and

1158
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:14,260
everybody else have a right to to demand

1159
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:16,840
that you know justice for all

1160
00:58:21,090 --> 00:58:18,310
you know that's reason why she's

1161
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:21,100
blindfolded okay it's what the evidence

1162
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:26,470
is yeah recently said to me that the

1163
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:28,270
justice system provides you and

1164
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:30,310
opportunity for justice it does not

1165
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:33,160
guarantee you just correct that and that

1166
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:36,850
is absolutely correct and and there is

1167
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:40,960
no guarantees that's a fact okay and but

1168
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:42,910
it is one of the best systems I think

1169
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:47,230
that anybody on the planet has I I would

1170
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:50,050
rather be involved in in a situation

1171
00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:53,650
like John Ford in this country then

1172
00:59:00,360 --> 00:58:58,060
let's say Pakistan or India or less

1173
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:00,370
corrupt although it's very rough is left

1174
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:05,010
for us but at least we you know for what

1175
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,410
we have the Constitution in the Bill of

1176
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:10,480
Rights and that's basically what when it

1177
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:13,810
all boils down to with John Ford I mean

1178
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:16,030
from the moment that they decided that

1179
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:17,770
they were going to arrest them there was

1180
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:21,040
a number of missteps that any lawyer and

1181
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:22,270
that's what I don't understand it very

1182
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:23,740
GetGo I'm still kind of confused about

1183
00:59:32,460 --> 00:59:25,780
that because I think even though he was

1184
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:32,470
arrested you know the the the warrant

1185
00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:35,290
the date you know everything there was

1186
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:37,120
all kinds of you know the evidence that

1187
00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:38,620
they used to get the warrant I mean I

1188
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:40,660
got some serious problems with that his

1189
00:59:46,890 --> 00:59:41,200
attorney

1190
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,900
not take up those issues he agreed with

1191
00:59:50,730 --> 00:59:48,400
the court and he was basically

1192
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:50,740
railroading him because he was in

1193
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:54,610
cahoots with with the John Ford's

1194
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,180
respond to that when I at the time as

1195
01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:05,680
Jerry I brought that up to his attorney

1196
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:08,020
about the warrant being dated two days

1197
01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:12,490
after his arrest the attorney said he he

1198
01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:13,720
didn't feel that that's good that's

1199
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:15,670
going to be a viable avenues pursued

1200
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:18,370
because what's just gonna happen is the

1201
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:19,630
prosecution is going to say it's the

1202
01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:21,250
type of graphical error they're gonna

1203
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:23,860
get it detective to swear before the

1204
01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:27,430
judge you know oh I ordered this this

1205
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:30,820
warrant at this time and that's gonna be

1206
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:33,220
it so I mean I I agree with you I

1207
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:34,630
thought I thought the I suppose the

1208
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:36,010
whole case would be could be thrown out

1209
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:38,290
on that because when you know and what

1210
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:40,090
it was Preston who showed me a copy of

1211
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:41,040
that I remember

1212
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,730
that very vividly but I and as you point

1213
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:47,520
down you that's that's its heavily with

1214
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,500
the unit always has with me and his

1215
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
attorney just said you know they're just

1216
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,280
going to get people to swear that it was

1217
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:55,920
that it was done on X state and on the

1218
01:01:02,750 --> 01:00:59,940
twelfth and and they made a typo 402

1219
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:02,760
fourteenth oh where did they get a judge

1220
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:05,700
where did they get a judge at a twenty

1221
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:10,160
on it on a Tuesday night you know really

1222
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,260
and you know I would assume I'm excuse

1223
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:15,240
me maybe ironically or sarcastically

1224
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:18,390
that they had this that they got this

1225
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:20,250
warrant at four o'clock in the afternoon

1226
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,890
or whatever that day they wouldn't have

1227
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:27,420
been able to get the warrant based on

1228
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:29,580
the information they had to have that

1229
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:32,430
where those last two recordings and I

1230
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:34,320
believe that they use those in fact the

1231
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,450
judge and that's why I say that's okay

1232
01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:38,640
it's because that's that's that's it I

1233
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,340
nice and with all what gets me as he

1234
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:43,740
went through I forget the original

1235
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:45,900
attorney I can't think of her name now

1236
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:49,800
John wrong no oh yeah well even after

1237
01:01:59,420 --> 01:01:52,260
Ralph I mean but after he was locked up

1238
01:02:01,520 --> 01:01:59,430
and then he had yeah Rizzoli's something

1239
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:01,530
like that and then and then there we

1240
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:07,200
know that nobody this to me is like just

1241
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:09,960
unravels the whole case and and

1242
01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:12,780
apparently no one has put their hands on

1243
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:16,859
it to do so nobody wasn't know there

1244
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:18,690
especially they want to confront as a

1245
01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:20,550
mental health court and that's that and

1246
01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:22,830
you know that that's what he's been

1247
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:25,590
dealing with you know there is no

1248
01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:27,330
justice there when you have to prove

1249
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:29,790
that you're not that you're not insane

1250
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:32,790
that you're not making this up that you

1251
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:35,130
did plan to do something it says that

1252
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:36,359
you said that you made these statements

1253
01:02:41,330 --> 01:02:39,270
and you now you're denying them and

1254
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,340
they're nowhere recruit they're not

1255
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:43,440
recorded anywhere other than on on a

1256
01:02:48,050 --> 01:02:45,390
district attorneys allegedly an

1257
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:48,060
assistant district attorneys him

1258
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:51,710
recording machine three with a person

1259
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:54,770
you know freedom has a child

1260
01:02:59,450 --> 01:02:57,090
okay had nothing to do with anything

1261
01:03:03,590 --> 01:02:59,460
John said obviously he was never

1262
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:03,600
recorded prior to the evening of his

1263
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:10,230
arrest you understand then he got

1264
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:14,070
recruited on the charge oh man Charlie

1265
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,710
exclusively used the cell phone and all

1266
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:19,740
one of the the entire evidence leading

1267
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:22,740
up to the warrant to record in his home

1268
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:24,870
was based on things gentleman's and

1269
01:03:29,780 --> 01:03:27,900
Shelley told either his friend or the

1270
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:29,790
other guy who was working for the

1271
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:31,050
district attorney's office

1272
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:34,350
it's not fair to John and it never went

1273
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,360
through any type of legal channels and

1274
01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:37,680
it hasn't been going through legal

1275
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:39,390
channels for twenty-one and a half years

1276
01:03:46,340 --> 01:03:44,250
I think it's a pathetic indictment of

1277
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:46,350
our legal system whether it's this

1278
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:49,110
country or any country that we thank you

1279
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:51,450
how many lawyers how many lawyers have

1280
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,130
we gone through but I'm glad to see the

1281
01:03:59,920 --> 01:03:55,500
current lawyers through it yeah

1282
01:04:03,230 --> 01:03:59,930
the current lawyer is not afraid to be

1283
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:03,240
both popular and vilify and at the same

1284
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:06,690
time you know and is willing to get his

1285
01:04:13,310 --> 01:04:09,150
hands dirty by getting in front of the

1286
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:13,320
media and playing dirty ball and giving

1287
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:14,910
him at a stillness and I would like to

1288
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:16,910
get a hold of this Steven Metcalf and

1289
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,230
organize a social media marketing

1290
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:21,420
campaign in conjunction with what he's

1291
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:23,970
doing this is what I've been waiting for

1292
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,770
but the last three lawyers have been a

1293
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:27,960
goddamn bunch of [\h__\h] and nobody

1294
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:35,210
so I mean nobody's gonna do it better

1295
01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:38,910
than me you guys all know that so yeah I

1296
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:42,120
would like to work with this lawyer and

1297
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:44,330
find out his phone number

1298
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:47,250
find out what his game plan is and get

1299
01:04:53,060 --> 01:04:48,650
on board with it

1300
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:53,070
and synchronize you know everything with

1301
01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:56,040
that you know because that last thing I

1302
01:05:01,760 --> 01:04:57,150
want to do is do something that

1303
01:05:05,180 --> 01:05:01,770
conflicts with his ideas so and you know

1304
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:05,190
I mean this is awesome I mean because I

1305
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:07,490
mean you guys were a

1306
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:12,940
we're talking about a lien before she

1307
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:18,650
was my original inspiration for taking

1308
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,730
the whole UFO arena down the path of

1309
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:25,280
politics and economics and getting rid

1310
01:05:29,490 --> 01:05:27,170
of all of the oka Booga hocus-pocus

1311
01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:29,500
[\h__\h] that everybody else clings to

1312
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:31,640
you know like Peter Peter moon was

1313
01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:33,470
saying you know that crap on ancient

1314
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:35,300
aliens yeah that's just they go for the

1315
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:37,970
Ogopogo hocus-pocus crap and they never

1316
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:39,890
get into the economics or the politics

1317
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:44,570
and Alain Douglas was the first person

1318
01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:47,740
to do that and for me it's a powerful

1319
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:51,350
synchronicity to basically pick up where

1320
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,530
she left off back in the 90s with the

1321
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:57,200
Defense Committee for John Ford you know

1322
01:06:01,630 --> 01:05:58,970
that was my inspiration therefore the

1323
01:06:04,090 --> 01:06:01,640
John Ford initiative was I remember that

1324
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:04,100
I remember what she did and I remember

1325
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:06,050
seeing her at a conference that John

1326
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:08,980
Ford had put together talk about

1327
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,450
synchronicity and people connected here

1328
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:14,480
a conference that John our symposium

1329
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:16,310
that John Ford had put together and

1330
01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:17,720
guess who one of the speakers were

1331
01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:21,230
Elaine Douglas you know and she was the

1332
01:06:26,830 --> 01:06:23,270
only speaker that stood out to me I

1333
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:26,840
watched her lecture and I personally I

1334
01:06:34,090 --> 01:06:29,510
was in awe as this was the first time I

1335
01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:34,100
saw somebody take the discussion of UFOs

1336
01:06:39,070 --> 01:06:37,190
down an avenue that nobody else had been

1337
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:39,080
doing at that point which goes a long

1338
01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:41,230
way to explaining why you know that

1339
01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:44,300
Masonic Lodge of bastards over there at

1340
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:47,900
MUFON ostracized her raped her molested

1341
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:51,230
her and booted her out so you know hey

1342
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:54,070
you know we're right

1343
01:06:59,680 --> 01:06:57,650
I want to Rick Rick I want to take the

1344
01:07:03,040 --> 01:06:59,690
stage for a second oh the first time I

1345
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:03,050
met Lane was at a MUFON conference I was

1346
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:06,050
a shoulder to shoulder with a lot of the

1347
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:10,490
MUFON higher echelon the first time I

1348
01:07:21,819 --> 01:07:14,240
met Elaine they pointed her out as

1349
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:26,960
yeah yeah money together so Elaine could

1350
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:28,680
go to that conference by the way oh

1351
01:07:35,059 --> 01:07:33,390
right okay yeah and and I would have

1352
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,069
been the one shaking hands with her if I

1353
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:36,960
could have but she had been so busy

1354
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:39,089
talking to people at that symposium I

1355
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:41,880
never got to meet her face-to-face yeah

1356
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:45,539
she she she was elected amongst all of

1357
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:48,420
us that were fighting MUFON and we're

1358
01:07:54,769 --> 01:07:52,230
trying to reform MUFON we decided she

1359
01:07:57,079 --> 01:07:54,779
was the one that could do it best and so

1360
01:08:05,529 --> 01:07:57,089
we pulled her funds together and sent

1361
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:08,930
because Elaine kept pushing the John

1362
01:08:17,599 --> 01:08:13,490
Ford issue inside MUFON that was a part

1363
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:17,609
okay she wanted MUFON to reform period

1364
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:20,790
that MUFON had to miss their rules and

1365
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:23,580
regulations she won an elected Board yes

1366
01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:27,900
she did one elected board and um because

1367
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:32,040
uh when were fine acted like such an

1368
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:34,350
imbecile towards John Forge when it came

1369
01:08:39,979 --> 01:08:37,580
to Lou fond not releasing records

1370
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:39,989
personal records that he promised people

1371
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,779
you know these are private they're not

1372
01:08:46,939 --> 01:08:44,699
gonna get released and MUFON came along

1373
01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:46,949
with an attitude of like well we want to

1374
01:08:50,809 --> 01:08:49,469
see what you have and John's like no you

1375
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:50,819
have to get release forms from these

1376
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:52,710
people I haven't even had a chance to do

1377
01:09:01,939 --> 01:08:58,980
that you know and move like well okay

1378
01:09:05,539 --> 01:09:01,949
you know screw you and John said it

1379
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:05,549
through as well screw you so that's

1380
01:09:17,559 --> 01:09:08,330
where that whole conversation went so

1381
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,569
and yeah and so the upper echelon of

1382
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:20,040
male-dominated jackasses and MUFON

1383
01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:23,370
decided to close ranks against a woman

1384
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:26,520
of all things who decided to speak out

1385
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:29,339
on the black sheep the pariah John Ford

1386
01:09:33,959 --> 01:09:31,290
and you can see how all this would have

1387
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:33,969
escalated against the lame

1388
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:37,089
ah women yeah then they went after a

1389
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,710
whole bunch of women women that were

1390
01:09:44,779 --> 01:09:41,199
real strong-willed like like Elaine was

1391
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:44,789
and exactly that's what happened to me

1392
01:09:50,339 --> 01:09:48,159
cuz you know the FEMA the FEMA the the I

1393
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:50,349
can see you know the female principal

1394
01:09:55,890 --> 01:09:53,170
has a much more direct approach on

1395
01:09:59,009 --> 01:09:55,900
things they want move on to reform and

1396
01:10:01,979 --> 01:09:59,019
be more honest and that's not gonna

1397
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:01,989
happen with a male-dominated Masonic

1398
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:05,170
Lodge that has a different agenda yes so

1399
01:10:15,629 --> 01:10:10,329
you know CIA yeah and I can I can I can

1400
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:15,639
address that because Judy or Soddy threw

1401
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:18,670
me God got on the board she was the only

1402
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:22,110
female on that board and this was a

1403
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:24,190
ballbuster of a woman she had her own

1404
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:24,840
company

1405
01:10:31,950 --> 01:10:29,920
let me tell you she was they found out

1406
01:10:35,009 --> 01:10:31,960
probably after the second meeting and

1407
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:35,019
they made she had a lot of connections

1408
01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:37,150
with the local TVs because she

1409
01:10:42,509 --> 01:10:40,059
advertised on those stations she had her

1410
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:42,519
own business in a very successful one at

1411
01:10:48,689 --> 01:10:45,249
that and so she was able to buy her way

1412
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:48,699
onto the board and they her position was

1413
01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:53,260
the PR officer if you will for MUFON it

1414
01:10:57,959 --> 01:10:55,479
was her job her job and she made a

1415
01:11:02,689 --> 01:10:57,969
statement at a dinner that she her goal

1416
01:11:10,469 --> 01:11:07,850
and and so that was her position and she

1417
01:11:13,979 --> 01:11:10,479
grabbed the bull by the horns and a lot

1418
01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:13,989
of people don't know this in fact Elaine

1419
01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:18,280
Douglas I told her to talk to Judy or

1420
01:11:21,029 --> 01:11:18,670
sati

1421
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:21,039
but unfortunately Judy or Saudi was

1422
01:11:27,379 --> 01:11:23,260
killed in a motorcycle accident on

1423
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:27,389
highway 34 outside of Golden Colorado

1424
01:11:38,129 --> 01:11:29,710
and the conversation never took place

1425
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:38,139
but Judy or sati was basically in

1426
01:11:43,169 --> 01:11:41,320
control of the board that the men on the

1427
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:43,179
board in we had several conversations

1428
01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:45,980
about this and

1429
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:47,630
she says what do you think she goes Ken

1430
01:11:52,930 --> 01:11:50,330
I can sense a lot of animosity they

1431
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:52,940
resent that I have a voice and a vote on

1432
01:12:03,130 --> 01:11:58,370
the board mm-hmm okay yeah yeah I can I

1433
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:03,140
I mean and that comes from listening to

1434
01:12:07,630 --> 01:12:05,060
and I work directly under John

1435
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:07,640
Schuessler out of the Littleton his eyes

1436
01:12:12,610 --> 01:12:10,970
I remember his name yeah definitely yeah

1437
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:12,620
he was the international director and he

1438
01:12:20,710 --> 01:12:16,910
write cases that I went out and I mean

1439
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:20,720
really good ones yeah

1440
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:26,420
and I and and him and Judy orsatti got

1441
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,250
to know each other really well and he

1442
01:12:34,090 --> 01:12:31,280
liked her and she liked him the problem

1443
01:12:36,250 --> 01:12:34,100
was that it the impression this is what

1444
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:36,260
I told Judy it it was kind of like the

1445
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:38,360
good old boys you know these were the

1446
01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:40,910
canoe club members and they resented

1447
01:12:46,180 --> 01:12:42,950
having an outsider especially a female

1448
01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:46,190
yeah that was aggressive knew how to

1449
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:47,900
conduct business had a very very

1450
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:50,090
successful business and had to all these

1451
01:12:56,650 --> 01:12:52,610
media connections they needed her but

1452
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:56,660
they didn't want her right yeah yeah I

1453
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:00,080
can see that being the case there so and

1454
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:04,870
then uh you know the years go by and you

1455
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:08,960
know it's like what was it I think it

1456
01:13:20,590 --> 01:13:14,480
was 2012 that I got the phone call out

1457
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,600
of the blue from somebody I his name

1458
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:22,880
escapes me now let me see I have it on

1459
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:27,470
the website here I'll find him

1460
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:32,110
eventually but he was good friends with

1461
01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:38,320
John Ford and George Dixon yeah yeah

1462
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:44,540
well resync he had I remember that Peter

1463
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:46,850
moon was working with him and they were

1464
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:49,700
trying to keep things going for John

1465
01:13:56,830 --> 01:13:52,610
Ford as best as they could George Dixon

1466
01:13:58,900 --> 01:13:56,840
calls me out of the blue and explains

1467
01:14:01,540 --> 01:13:58,910
the whole situation to me

1468
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:01,550
and asked me if I would basically take

1469
01:14:06,490 --> 01:14:03,430
it over from there

1470
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:06,500
unfortunately a few months later George

1471
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:10,670
Dixon passes away and it seems from what

1472
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:13,570
people have told me that he was existing

1473
01:14:20,050 --> 01:14:16,760
on ten years of overtime he should have

1474
01:14:21,670 --> 01:14:20,060
died ten years before and I think it was

1475
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:21,680
the John Ford issue that was keeping him

1476
01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:22,610
going the whole time

1477
01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:28,040
but I at that point had gone back and

1478
01:14:32,890 --> 01:14:29,990
researched the original John Ford

1479
01:14:34,660 --> 01:14:32,900
defense community to being out of the

1480
01:14:36,370 --> 01:14:34,670
loop for that many years I was like you

1481
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:36,380
know what happened to all those people

1482
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:40,610
involved with that and I started trying

1483
01:14:44,890 --> 01:14:42,130
to hunt down

1484
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:44,900
Alain Douglas and you know the sad truth

1485
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:48,740
is is that by the time I found it

1486
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:53,420
connected with Marilyn Carlson I found

1487
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:55,130
out that I think it was like she had

1488
01:15:02,620 --> 01:14:59,270
passed away six months before or

1489
01:15:07,810 --> 01:15:02,630
something to that yeah on Facebook and I

1490
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:07,820
was yeah I started that John know the

1491
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:09,530
Elaine Douglas files that's what I put

1492
01:15:14,890 --> 01:15:11,690
on this book I set up a Alain Douglas

1493
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:14,900
files Facebook page and posted some

1494
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:18,080
things on John Ford and Rick saw them

1495
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:21,770
and that's how we got in touch so yeah

1496
01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:24,080
and I was happy for that and at the same

1497
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:26,900
time I was like oh no yeah I was like

1498
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:33,610
yeah just the feeling of like all right

1499
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:37,910
well it really was and because she could

1500
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:40,130
have there's many a times because I'm

1501
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:42,500
thinking that could get an answer to

1502
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:44,450
this question and I have a Alain was

1503
01:15:52,810 --> 01:15:49,970
just still here you know and so when she

1504
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:52,820
passed a lot of information went that a

1505
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:55,730
lot of people and unfortunately most

1506
01:16:00,580 --> 01:15:57,620
people who are involved with the UFO

1507
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:00,590
although this is changing people who are

1508
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:02,870
involved with UFO groups are all members

1509
01:16:12,729 --> 01:16:06,980
of MUFON and we started our own separate

1510
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:15,410
hey I'm still an investigator for him

1511
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,570
yeah but me they call you Kim no I

1512
01:16:21,529 --> 01:16:19,679
haven't had they haven't assigned me a

1513
01:16:23,089 --> 01:16:21,539
case I think in about nine months now

1514
01:16:28,370 --> 01:16:23,099
yeah Wow

1515
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:28,380
nine months holy cow soos car yeah yeah

1516
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:34,880
yeah buddy but yeah but I I would I

1517
01:16:41,989 --> 01:16:39,320
would have gladly joined forces with

1518
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:41,999
Alain Douglas if she had still been

1519
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:45,840
alive if that was at all possible so I

1520
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:47,550
would you know what I can't figure is

1521
01:16:56,959 --> 01:16:50,150
why she why John didn't follow her

1522
01:16:59,839 --> 01:16:56,969
advice really good advice on legal as a

1523
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,849
legal counsel kind of thing and he

1524
01:17:03,529 --> 01:17:01,679
didn't follow through on some of that

1525
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:03,539
yeah well she wasn't happy about

1526
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:08,369
yesterday and she jumped him up one side

1527
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:10,409
down the other on it and they they had a

1528
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:13,289
big of a bit of a tip on phone

1529
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:17,010
conversation and later John wrote her a

1530
01:17:22,069 --> 01:17:18,420
letter back and it's in the letters that

1531
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:22,079
he apologized for getting mad at her but

1532
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:25,530
you know who use that the urban mound Oh

1533
01:17:35,569 --> 01:17:28,530
what were you I would say it was

1534
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:35,579
probably about 2008 maybe he doesn't it

1535
01:17:40,549 --> 01:17:38,730
yes at the time and they start taking an

1536
01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:40,559
interest in that and they and they said

1537
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:46,710
they faces the the first John attorney

1538
01:17:52,220 --> 01:17:50,249
at Stewart Swezey

1539
01:17:55,129 --> 01:17:52,230
she had all that information on

1540
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:55,139
Stewart's Weezy from a and he does that

1541
01:18:02,060 --> 01:17:58,260
mean right - yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

1542
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:02,070
yeah Stewart's company he was gonna sell

1543
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:05,219
show - ray and he based on John Floyd

1544
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:08,249
and as soon as they found out the Hurst

1545
01:18:14,029 --> 01:18:11,219
people found out that that that John was

1546
01:18:16,729 --> 01:18:14,039
in the loony bin that was it that just

1547
01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:16,739
killed it and killed the entire thing so

1548
01:18:24,140 --> 01:18:20,039
um but they but they had been paying for

1549
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:24,150
an attorney and you know it's amazing

1550
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:24,710
she's a

1551
01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:30,140
professor at purely War College and you

1552
01:18:35,470 --> 01:18:33,260
know and and in few years she went along

1553
01:18:37,540 --> 01:18:35,480
with just with this with again with

1554
01:18:40,660 --> 01:18:37,550
there with this mental health court

1555
01:18:43,540 --> 01:18:40,670
thing you know and it's got to be in

1556
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,550
some type of it has to be in something

1557
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:46,400
where he's actually me at justice you

1558
01:18:54,010 --> 01:18:51,410
know in federal court in in civil rights

1559
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:54,020
law something like that and I think

1560
01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:55,850
these guys see it I think they get it

1561
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,489
finally you know it took them long

1562
01:19:03,670 --> 01:19:00,800
enough but finally I think this guy back

1563
01:19:06,490 --> 01:19:03,680
cap Steve madcap you should definitely

1564
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,500
be in trust with him Richard and yeah

1565
01:19:10,690 --> 01:19:08,480
one information you that definitely

1566
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:10,700
definitely be in touch can we have a

1567
01:19:17,770 --> 01:19:15,440
phone number yeah yeah I don't I I

1568
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,780
really rather not broadcasting so I'm

1569
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:19,280
not sure if this is the number he uses

1570
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:22,489
generally so let me give it to Richard

1571
01:19:33,190 --> 01:19:31,720
with he usually calls me from a cell

1572
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:33,200
phone I have that number

1573
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:36,380
okay and I'm not sure if he wants that

1574
01:19:42,729 --> 01:19:40,940
distributed publicly okay you know I you

1575
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:42,739
know like I just hate to do that to

1576
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:45,590
people I always ask them first though

1577
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:48,530
and but I was a great move Richard

1578
01:19:54,010 --> 01:19:51,410
because you know because you're and you

1579
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:54,020
know I mean like I even had a check with

1580
01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:57,050
John twice before I said to check out so

1581
01:20:01,870 --> 01:19:59,150
you know I've better about even

1582
01:20:04,510 --> 01:20:01,880
retaining the guy I want to make a char

1583
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:04,520
you absolutely 100 percent sure are you

1584
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:06,950
getting gonna get what you what you

1585
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,150
expect he's gonna do what you want in in

1586
01:20:16,930 --> 01:20:14,000
in you know in in suitably at a suitable

1587
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:16,940
time frame and he said absolutely okay

1588
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:19,130
yeah that that was the point at which

1589
01:20:24,459 --> 01:20:20,960
they sent the check they have Facebook

1590
01:20:26,770 --> 01:20:24,469
to John his second time so you know I'm

1591
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:26,780
not trying to look after the guy to you

1592
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:28,370
know I mean it's however attorney but I

1593
01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:29,330
do what he says

1594
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:31,670
you know I always make sure I asked him

1595
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:34,010
first I'm gonna say something about him

1596
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:35,570
I have his permission to say it

1597
01:20:40,450 --> 01:20:38,510
alright so um

1598
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:40,460
you know that anybody assumed to be with

1599
01:20:45,610 --> 01:20:42,770
me you know probably before we would do

1600
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:45,620
the show Rick you know that and so yeah

1601
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:48,680
Peter I believe right you know that I

1602
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:51,800
had to clear which on first right right

1603
01:20:57,190 --> 01:20:54,560
because I had nothing to sell and I have

1604
01:20:59,380 --> 01:20:57,200
nothing to gain from this so you know I

1605
01:21:03,540 --> 01:20:59,390
you know I'm the honest broker here if I

1606
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:06,250
number four Metcalf Metcalf it's on the

1607
01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:07,270
website

1608
01:21:21,730 --> 01:21:18,710
he's got a he's got a number for

1609
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:21,740
Metcalfe Metcalfe BC on the website I

1610
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:24,890
put that one up and refused that in the

1611
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:26,450
mean Congress can't get through to him

1612
01:21:30,730 --> 01:21:28,730
on there I can get the cell phone number

1613
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:30,740
for you all right it's area code six

1614
01:21:39,610 --> 01:21:34,790
four six two five three zero five one

1615
01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:39,620
four wait what I'm sorry I lost my audio

1616
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:42,230
here what's this phone number six four

1617
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:48,830
six two five three zero five one four

1618
01:21:56,940 --> 01:21:53,510
zero five one four okay and who is this

1619
01:22:00,280 --> 01:21:56,950
again Metcalfe and Metcalfe the tree

1620
01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:00,290
that's the new attorney for uh for John

1621
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:02,990
yeah sorry my audio cut out for some

1622
01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:09,710
reason for about thirty seconds you

1623
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:11,350
never know what's happening with this

1624
01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:14,770
you have a very suspicious mind Marilyn

1625
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:25,150
yeah but you believe in flying saucers

1626
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:30,050
too just like John there's crazy UFO

1627
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,890
people I tell ya it's weird insanity yep

1628
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:38,480
they said they could use UFO against him

1629
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:40,010
right but it's because he believed he

1630
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:41,810
was being recruited by the CIA right

1631
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:43,610
that they that they that's where his

1632
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:46,550
delusional is actually he was an asset

1633
01:22:51,540 --> 01:22:50,150
during his college years he was and a

1634
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:51,550
lot of people were

1635
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:53,110
okay they used to go after these people

1636
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:55,330
and they you know anybody that we had a

1637
01:22:58,530 --> 01:22:57,070
bright winning temperament they would go

1638
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,540
after them and you know they go down

1639
01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:00,400
they never went after me I'm being blown

1640
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,680
up they would go if they would the

1641
01:23:06,630 --> 01:23:04,480
building would that somebody's gonna

1642
01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:06,640
blow up an ROTC building he would report

1643
01:23:11,730 --> 01:23:08,980
it that was that was really the extent

1644
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:11,740
of it you can go after you can because

1645
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:19,890
well hey and you know once again I want

1646
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:22,480
to reiterate you know this whole thing

1647
01:23:29,610 --> 01:23:26,080
surrounding John Ford we all have the

1648
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:29,620
dog in that fight and whatever it takes

1649
01:23:33,810 --> 01:23:31,450
to get him out I don't care if they get

1650
01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:33,820
him out of the psychiatric ward and then

1651
01:23:39,690 --> 01:23:36,640
he can tell his story and go after him

1652
01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:39,700
civilly and all that about the warrant

1653
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:41,080
and everything will come out in civil

1654
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:44,590
court mm-hmm all that all that will be

1655
01:23:49,530 --> 01:23:46,780
brought out from the very moment that

1656
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:49,540
the judicial system engaged John Ford

1657
01:23:56,370 --> 01:23:51,310
which he was a part of for 20 years

1658
01:23:58,710 --> 01:23:56,380
right yeah that's right yeah okay all of

1659
01:24:02,160 --> 01:23:58,720
a sudden all that's gonna come out in

1660
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:02,170
civil court and the application for the

1661
01:24:06,210 --> 01:24:04,030
warrant and that's where the real key is

1662
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:06,220
because it's possible the judge never

1663
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:12,000
even listened to those tapes I mean III

1664
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:14,410
the prime sure it's not any different

1665
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:16,570
Suffolk than it was Arapaho and Douglas

1666
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,760
and Adams County in Colorado you made an

1667
01:24:22,980 --> 01:24:20,800
application for an arrest search warrant

1668
01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:22,990
and you what you submitted it to the DA

1669
01:24:26,970 --> 01:24:24,460
and of course in this case he's crooked

1670
01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:26,980
as a snake so that's no problem and he

1671
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:29,500
takes it to a judge and those DA's they

1672
01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:30,850
have they have influence with those

1673
01:24:35,550 --> 01:24:32,590
judges because they deal with him on a

1674
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:35,560
daily basis and he made looked at the

1675
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:37,510
application goes haha okay radium and

1676
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:39,580
toothpaste yeah okay and then over here

1677
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:40,930
the DA says yeah we've got taped

1678
01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:43,210
conversations where he's plotting to

1679
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:45,220
carry out this mission the judge may

1680
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:54,240
Joe is on there John was never on any of

1681
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:56,290
those tapes what doesn't make it really

1682
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,570
going after John well it doesn't make it

1683
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:00,400
I'm talking about the application for

1684
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:01,360
the warrant doesn't make any difference

1685
01:25:05,310 --> 01:25:04,180
whether he's on on the tapes or not all

1686
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:05,320
they all the DA

1687
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:07,480
says to the judge after show em all this

1688
01:25:11,069 --> 01:25:09,190
other written testimony and statements

1689
01:25:13,229 --> 01:25:11,079
and the wires and the telephone

1690
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:13,239
conversations and illegal wiretap that

1691
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:15,340
went on and everything else but on top

1692
01:25:20,910 --> 01:25:16,810
of that the DA says yeah and I've got

1693
01:25:22,379 --> 01:25:20,920
these two tapes of John Ford and the

1694
01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:22,389
judge goes yeah okay good enough for me

1695
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:24,429
and never even listened to annoying John

1696
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:30,310
Ford was not on any of them in the civil

1697
01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:32,530
in a civil trial that will all come out

1698
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:35,349
it has to because it'll go to the very

1699
01:25:40,890 --> 01:25:37,750
crux as as how John got thrown into the

1700
01:25:45,629 --> 01:25:40,900
hopper of this judicial grist and and

1701
01:25:48,050 --> 01:25:45,639
has been grounded for 20-some years yeah

1702
01:25:50,609 --> 01:25:48,060
yeah exactly

1703
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:50,619
okay and that's what and that will all

1704
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:52,270
come out in a civil that's where the

1705
01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:54,310
real story is gonna be and you know the

1706
01:25:59,459 --> 01:25:55,630
main thing is to get him out of that

1707
01:26:01,229 --> 01:25:59,469
incarceration and get his monkey butt on

1708
01:26:03,839 --> 01:26:01,239
the show so he can tell his side of the

1709
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:03,849
story at least to some extent and how

1710
01:26:07,410 --> 01:26:05,710
what he feels and maybe you know field

1711
01:26:08,729 --> 01:26:07,420
some questions I think it would be

1712
01:26:12,330 --> 01:26:08,739
outstanding we need to get him out of

1713
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:12,340
that out of that environment my concern

1714
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:15,790
and then I'll shut up is that I'm

1715
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,420
worried that John is institutionalized

1716
01:26:26,339 --> 01:26:22,239
and I brought it up on those occasions

1717
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,349
right many times okay it's kind of like

1718
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:28,480
the Stockholm Syndrome in some respects

1719
01:26:33,540 --> 01:26:30,270
but you're talking about a long-term

1720
01:26:35,250 --> 01:26:33,550
environment you're talking about you

1721
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:35,260
know we used the term three hots and a

1722
01:26:40,589 --> 01:26:38,590
cot I mean think about his days planned

1723
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:40,599
for him he doesn't have to do anything

1724
01:26:43,709 --> 01:26:42,369
he knows what he's gonna be doing

1725
01:26:46,260 --> 01:26:43,719
tomorrow he knows when he's gonna get

1726
01:26:50,010 --> 01:26:46,270
breakfast he knows his routine is mapped

1727
01:26:52,919 --> 01:26:50,020
out for and it can he spoke to me can

1728
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:52,929
have you ever spoken with him no I no I

1729
01:27:00,030 --> 01:26:57,730
have not I okay if you speak with John

1730
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:00,040
once you'll know that that's not the

1731
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:07,210
case okay if you want I absolutely I you

1732
01:27:13,050 --> 01:27:10,210
know I read the letters that that we're

1733
01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:13,060
talking about hey phone sets up a

1734
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:15,070
three-way conversation I mean if he

1735
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:16,840
calls me I'll call Kevin get him in on

1736
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:19,510
your fascination

1737
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:23,590
yeah absolutely okay because I read the

1738
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:25,510
letters and there's nothing in any of

1739
01:27:29,459 --> 01:27:27,310
those letters that I read on granted I'm

1740
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,469
not a doctorate of psychiatry but I

1741
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:31,920
certainly dealt with my share of mental

1742
01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:34,840
patients George I know you're listening

1743
01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:36,340
we were Downard that mental health

1744
01:27:42,630 --> 01:27:38,040
clinic at least twice a week handling

1745
01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:42,640
delusional psychotic psychiatric didn't

1746
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,020
take their medicine patients

1747
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:46,960
okay everybody and I didn't see any of

1748
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:47,320
that

1749
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:49,570
Kenny Kenny we've read letters John

1750
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:53,290
struck me as a very sane a very lucid

1751
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,690
his sentences were complete I mean he

1752
01:27:59,490 --> 01:27:57,760
could follow his train of thought at

1753
01:28:03,660 --> 01:27:59,500
least I could so maybe I'm just as nuts

1754
01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:03,670
as he is okay okay everybody yeah we've

1755
01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:05,020
reached the end of the show everybody

1756
01:28:15,570 --> 01:28:07,780
that was an hour ago and this extremely

1757
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:15,580
very rational very calm yeah yeah okay

1758
01:28:18,689 --> 01:28:17,260
everybody ended the show already you

1759
01:28:23,340 --> 01:28:18,699
believe that hour and a half went by it

1760
01:28:25,229 --> 01:28:23,350
all quick oh my god no I liked you guys

1761
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:25,239
go you guys were you guys were you guys

1762
01:28:42,330 --> 01:28:37,110
thanks to Joe for all this information

1763
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:42,340
but Jonathan this week it's yes thanks

1764
01:28:45,959 --> 01:28:45,430
Peter for being alone sure thank you

1765
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:45,969
everybody

1766
01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:48,910
was a good show Barney barring an

1767
01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:50,830
attorney for next show

1768
01:28:55,950 --> 01:28:53,140
yep barring any any huge news will we be

1769
01:28:58,500 --> 01:28:55,960
will be back October 8th 9 p.m. Eastern

1770
01:29:01,170 --> 01:28:58,510
and definitely would love to get the

1771
01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:01,180
lawyer on - that would be a perfect time

1772
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,120
October 8th Joe would you stay on and

1773
01:29:09,870 --> 01:29:06,400
Ken would you stay on or did Ken just

1774
01:29:11,729 --> 01:29:09,880
like I can't just left these know that

1775
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:11,739
incense sorts left